XanaNews Statistic for comp.mail.mutt. 10/1/2020 6:06:29 AM

[The Doctor]

XanaNews Statistic for comp.mail.mutt. 10/1/2020 6:06:29 AM

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[Erwan David]

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XanaNews Statistic for comp.mail.mutt. 10/1/2020 6:06:29 AM
From article 12121 (9/1/2020 1:13:48 AM) to article 12121 (9/1/2020
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Ok let's double the article number for this month.

[The Doctor]

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XanaNews Statistic for comp.mail.mutt. 10/1/2020 6:06:29 AM
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Ok let's double the article number for this month.
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Les simplifications c'est trop compliqué

HAve any idea which way mutt development should go?

[Eike Rathke]

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Ok let's double the article number for this month.

Done.

Eike

[The Doctor]

Post by Eike Rathke

Post by Erwan David

Post by The Doctor
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Ok let's double the article number for this month.

Done.
Eike
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Anyone here want to discuss a GUI port od Mutt call Xmutt?

[Eike Rathke]

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Anyone here want to discuss a GUI port od Mutt call Xmutt?

Hell no, not even if there was such thing.

Eike

[The Doctor]

Post by Eike Rathke

Post by The Doctor
Anyone here want to discuss a GUI port od Mutt call Xmutt?

Hell no, not even if there was such thing.
Eike

I disagree! Mutt needs to be ported to something like X-Windows or
M$ Windows.

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[Grant Edwards]

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I disagree! Mutt needs to be ported to something like X-Windows or
M$ Windows.

Done!

-----8<--------------- xmutt -----8<---------------

#!/bin/bash
exec urxvt -e mutt "$@"

-----8<---------------------------8<---------------

;)

[Jorgen Grahn]

Post by Grant Edwards

Post by The Doctor
I disagree! Mutt needs to be ported to something like X-Windows or
M$ Windows.

Done!
#!/bin/bash

Which raises the question what it /means/ to port mutt to X.

(And no, I'm not interested in discussing it, either. Although I
think it's on topic here.)

/Jorgen

[The Doctor]

Post by Jorgen Grahn

Post by Grant Edwards

Post by The Doctor
I disagree! Mutt needs to be ported to something like X-Windows or
M$ Windows.

Done!
#!/bin/bash

Which raises the question what it /means/ to port mutt to X.
(And no, I'm not interested in discussing it, either. Although I
think it's on topic here.)
/Jorgen

Sepearte project so that mutt works in a GUI environment.

Post by Jorgen Grahn
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[Grant Edwards]

Post by The Doctor

Post by Jorgen Grahn

Post by Grant Edwards

Post by The Doctor
I disagree! Mutt needs to be ported to something like X-Windows or
M$ Windows.

Done!
#!/bin/bash

Which raises the question what it /means/ to port mutt to X.
(And no, I'm not interested in discussing it, either. Although I
think it's on topic here.)
/Jorgen

Sepearte project so that mutt works in a GUI environment.

It does. I always use mutt in a GUI environment. See above.

--
Grant

[Jorgen Grahn]

Post by Grant Edwards

Post by The Doctor

Post by Jorgen Grahn

Post by Grant Edwards

Post by The Doctor
I disagree! Mutt needs to be ported to something like X-Windows or
M$ Windows.

Done!
#!/bin/bash

Which raises the question what it /means/ to port mutt to X.
(And no, I'm not interested in discussing it, either. Although I
think it's on topic here.)
/Jorgen

Sepearte project so that mutt works in a GUI environment.

It does. I always use mutt in a GUI environment. See above.

The alternative would be a rewrite which keeps the features of Mutt
(and the config file) but renders in an X11 window. And maybe adds
some features ... but I have a hard time to see which GUI features
could be just bolted on. Which is why I asked.

Compare with Emacs, which I use in X11 mode. That mode is like the
terminal mode, plus some silly menus which I have disabled. I only
use it for the slightly better key bindings, better default colors,
and some mouse integration.

/Jorgen

[Grant Edwards]

Post by Jorgen Grahn

Post by Grant Edwards
It does. I always use mutt in a GUI environment. See above.

The alternative would be a rewrite which keeps the features of Mutt
(and the config file) but renders in an X11 window. And maybe adds
some features ... but I have a hard time to see which GUI features
could be just bolted on. Which is why I asked.

The only "GUI" features that would matter to me are good HTML+CSS
rendering and an easy way to produce HTML e-mails. That could be a
WYSIWYG editor or something like built-in support for markdown. I
very rarely write e-mails in mutt, and now use it mainly as a way to
quickly scan my inbox to sort and delete stuff I don't need. Anything
that needs to be read and/or responded to then gets handled in a
different app.

I prefer paintext e-mail but that war has been lost. Nobody with whom
I exchange email can deal with plaintext (either receiving it or
sending it).

Post by Jorgen Grahn
Compare with Emacs, which I use in X11 mode. That mode is like the
terminal mode, plus some silly menus which I have disabled. I only
use it for the slightly better key bindings, better default colors,
and some mouse integration.

Same here.

--
Grant

[The Doctor]

Post by Grant Edwards

Post by Jorgen Grahn

Post by Grant Edwards
It does. I always use mutt in a GUI environment. See above.

The alternative would be a rewrite which keeps the features of Mutt
(and the config file) but renders in an X11 window. And maybe adds
some features ... but I have a hard time to see which GUI features
could be just bolted on. Which is why I asked.

The only "GUI" features that would matter to me are good HTML+CSS
rendering and an easy way to produce HTML e-mails. That could be a
WYSIWYG editor or something like built-in support for markdown. I
very rarely write e-mails in mutt, and now use it mainly as a way to
quickly scan my inbox to sort and delete stuff I don't need. Anything
that needs to be read and/or responded to then gets handled in a
different app.
I prefer paintext e-mail but that war has been lost. Nobody with whom
I exchange email can deal with plaintext (either receiving it or
sending it).

Post by Jorgen Grahn
Compare with Emacs, which I use in X11 mode. That mode is like the
terminal mode, plus some silly menus which I have disabled. I only
use it for the slightly better key bindings, better default colors,
and some mouse integration.

Same here.
--
Grant

Open source and debates for us!

[Jorgen Grahn]

Post by Grant Edwards

Post by Jorgen Grahn

Post by Grant Edwards
It does. I always use mutt in a GUI environment. See above.

The alternative would be a rewrite which keeps the features of Mutt
(and the config file) but renders in an X11 window. And maybe adds
some features ... but I have a hard time to see which GUI features
could be just bolted on. Which is why I asked.

The only "GUI" features that would matter to me are good HTML+CSS
rendering and an easy way to produce HTML e-mails. That could be a
WYSIWYG editor or something like built-in support for markdown. I
very rarely write e-mails in mutt, and now use it mainly as a way to
quickly scan my inbox to sort and delete stuff I don't need. Anything
that needs to be read and/or responded to then gets handled in a
different app.
I prefer paintext e-mail but that war has been lost. Nobody with whom
I exchange email can deal with plaintext (either receiving it or
sending it).

I can see that many cannot send text/plain, but how can they all fail
to /read/ it?

I happily send plain text mail, and have had no complaints[1].
The only problem I know about is MS Outlook, which by default is
configured to undo the formatting ("We removed some extra line
breaks").

And of course there's the related problem with quoting in responses,
but mainstream MUAs like Outlook simply don't have support for that.

/Jorgen

[1] Although I get very little real mail these days. Internet mail
seems to have deteriorated to a way for organizations to push out
non-vital notifications and newsletters.

[Chris Green]

Post by Jorgen Grahn

Post by Grant Edwards

Post by Jorgen Grahn

Post by Grant Edwards
It does. I always use mutt in a GUI environment. See above.

The alternative would be a rewrite which keeps the features of Mutt
(and the config file) but renders in an X11 window. And maybe adds
some features ... but I have a hard time to see which GUI features
could be just bolted on. Which is why I asked.

The only "GUI" features that would matter to me are good HTML+CSS
rendering and an easy way to produce HTML e-mails. That could be a
WYSIWYG editor or something like built-in support for markdown. I
very rarely write e-mails in mutt, and now use it mainly as a way to
quickly scan my inbox to sort and delete stuff I don't need. Anything
that needs to be read and/or responded to then gets handled in a
different app.
I prefer paintext e-mail but that war has been lost. Nobody with whom
I exchange email can deal with plaintext (either receiving it or
sending it).

I can see that many cannot send text/plain, but how can they all fail
to /read/ it?
I happily send plain text mail, and have had no complaints[1].

Yes, same here, no issues with *sending* plain text.

Post by Jorgen Grahn
The only problem I know about is MS Outlook, which by default is
configured to undo the formatting ("We removed some extra line
breaks").
And of course there's the related problem with quoting in responses,
but mainstream MUAs like Outlook simply don't have support for that.
/Jorgen
[1] Although I get very little real mail these days. Internet mail
seems to have deteriorated to a way for organizations to push out
non-vital notifications and newsletters.

Well, not true in the world of technical/support mailing lists, I'm on
lots of those (50 or more) and they all specify text only and bottom
posting in their netiquette.

[Grant Edwards]

Post by Jorgen Grahn

Post by Grant Edwards

Post by Jorgen Grahn

Post by Grant Edwards
It does. I always use mutt in a GUI environment. See above.

The alternative would be a rewrite which keeps the features of Mutt
(and the config file) but renders in an X11 window. And maybe adds
some features ... but I have a hard time to see which GUI features
could be just bolted on. Which is why I asked.

The only "GUI" features that would matter to me are good HTML+CSS
rendering and an easy way to produce HTML e-mails. That could be a
WYSIWYG editor or something like built-in support for markdown. I
very rarely write e-mails in mutt, and now use it mainly as a way to
quickly scan my inbox to sort and delete stuff I don't need. Anything
that needs to be read and/or responded to then gets handled in a
different app.
I prefer paintext e-mail but that war has been lost. Nobody with whom
I exchange email can deal with plaintext (either receiving it or
sending it).

I can see that many cannot send text/plain, but how can they all fail
to /read/ it?

Some apps (particularly Outlook) don't use fixed-width fonts for
text/plain, so things like bulleted lists, columnar data, quoting
etc. come out garbled. People who read my text/plain emails on phones
also have trouble because paragraphs don't get reflowed (or get
reflowed in bizarre ways).

Post by Jorgen Grahn
I happily send plain text mail, and have had no complaints[1].
The only problem I know about is MS Outlook,

And most of the people to whom I send e-mails use MS Outlook.

--
Grant

[Eike Rathke]

Post by Grant Edwards
Nobody with whom
I exchange email can deal with plaintext (either receiving it or
sending it).

? every email client can handle received plaintext emails.

Eike

[Grant Edwards]

Post by Eike Rathke

Post by Grant Edwards
Nobody with whom
I exchange email can deal with plaintext (either receiving it or
sending it).

? every email client can handle received plaintext emails.

Sure, they can _receive_ it. But the Outlook often displays it in a
less that readable manner, and sending e-mails that are hard to read
and appear to be badly formatted is unprofessional and unacceptable
when I'm supposed to be a "computer person".

For years I used muttdown, and that solved the problem nicely.

Then the IT folks shut off SMTP support in Exchange, so it became
rather a moot point. I still often compose emails in markdown (using
emacsi markdown-mode), then I cut/paste the entire message from the
browser preview into hiri or Outlook OWA and send it.

--
Grant

[Chris Green]

Post by Grant Edwards

Post by Eike Rathke

Post by Grant Edwards
Nobody with whom
I exchange email can deal with plaintext (either receiving it or
sending it).

? every email client can handle received plaintext emails.

Sure, they can _receive_ it. But the Outlook often displays it in a
less that readable manner, and sending e-mails that are hard to read
and appear to be badly formatted is unprofessional and unacceptable
when I'm supposed to be a "computer person".

'Outside' in the real world (i.e. away from business) 99% of people
are reading their E-Mail on a phone of some sort. Outlook is no
longer the issue with nearly all of my recipients. The issue is a tiny
screen and a 'poke it with your squishy fingertips' user interface.

[The Doctor]

Post by Chris Green

Post by Grant Edwards

Post by Eike Rathke

Post by Grant Edwards
Nobody with whom
I exchange email can deal with plaintext (either receiving it or
sending it).

? every email client can handle received plaintext emails.

Sure, they can _receive_ it. But the Outlook often displays it in a
less that readable manner, and sending e-mails that are hard to read
and appear to be badly formatted is unprofessional and unacceptable
when I'm supposed to be a "computer person".

'Outside' in the real world (i.e. away from business) 99% of people
are reading their E-Mail on a phone of some sort. Outlook is no
longer the issue with nearly all of my recipients. The issue is a tiny
screen and a 'poke it with your squishy fingertips' user interface.

As long as top-posting e-mails clients aqre banned, all the good for the real world.

Post by Chris Green
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Chris Green
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[The Doctor]

Post by Jorgen Grahn

Post by Grant Edwards

Post by The Doctor

Post by Jorgen Grahn

Post by Grant Edwards

Post by The Doctor
I disagree! Mutt needs to be ported to something like X-Windows or
M$ Windows.

Done!
#!/bin/bash

Which raises the question what it /means/ to port mutt to X.
(And no, I'm not interested in discussing it, either. Although I
think it's on topic here.)
/Jorgen

Sepearte project so that mutt works in a GUI environment.

It does. I always use mutt in a GUI environment. See above.

The alternative would be a rewrite which keeps the features of Mutt
(and the config file) but renders in an X11 window. And maybe adds
some features ... but I have a hard time to see which GUI features
could be just bolted on. Which is why I asked.
Compare with Emacs, which I use in X11 mode. That mode is like the
terminal mode, plus some silly menus which I have disabled. I only
use it for the slightly better key bindings, better default colors,
and some mouse integration.
/Jorgen

Bounce is pretty nice!

Post by Jorgen Grahn
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\X/ snipabacken.se> O o .

[The Doctor]

Post by Grant Edwards

Post by The Doctor
I disagree! Mutt needs to be ported to something like X-Windows or
M$ Windows.

Done!
-----8<--------------- xmutt -----8<---------------
#!/bin/bash
-----8<---------------------------8<---------------
;)

You must love to have a bash.